haskell-jp / haskell-day #17

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テーマ案
- Beyond Functional Programming （PHPCon のbeyondが印象に残ったので）

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@fumieval 少々乱暴な発言のようですが、何がありました？

Haskell Dayと無関係な公的でない場所での講演を持ち掛けていました。元の発言は削除されたようなので私も消しました

なるほど。了解です。注意してくれるのはありがたいけど、言い方には気をつけてください。

少し気が立っていました、すみません。

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as an update on my side it looks like the conference I'm headed to in india afterwards is actually looking at moving back to the dates they originally told me, November 13-16. This doesn't affect my availability for the Nov 9th, if anything it makes it easier.

@ekmett Thanks for your update.
We in haskell-jp members need to talk about what we want you to talk in the conference.
As you said, up to audience volume and knowledge, we will tell you.
@igrep Kindly let us know about it.

The venue https://techplay.jp/space accommodates at most 200 people.
Currently there's no plan about required knowledge for the audience.
But I guess they expect @ekmett to give a very advanced, and deep talk.
Anyway, how's your recent activity related to Haskell going? There might be a nice idea for the talk.

@igrep Thank you for letting us know the details. Edward wants to know the knowledge, because up to it, he is thinking what he will talk, so how much haskell-jp members know about Haskell and Edward’s lenses or so.

@masakolee We can't get sure of it because Haskell Day 2019 is an open event: anyone registered can join (and the scope of "Haskell-jp members" is actually not defined).
So what we should do is to decide knowledge required for the audience, not get how much they know.

But actually we can guess it: people who have heard of Ekmett would know at least introductory knowledge of lens (and of the other libraries as well). Because they usually know lens before Ekmett himself.

@igrep OK then, It would be better to tell it for now, as I think I can tell Edward the content of the slides that will be announced.

話は戻りますが、テーマを今月中に決めて、そのままイベントページを公開しましょう。
今後議論や新しい案の提案は :point_down: で。
https://github.com/haskell-jp/community/issues/5
Let's decide the theme, then publish the registration page.
Discuss at the issue above from now on.

@igrep It seems it has not yet decided which slides to announce at haskell-jp.
Regardless of whether it is decided or not,
kindly tell us to tell Edward.
Thank you.

すみません、日本語で聞きますがslidesってなんのことですか？

スライドです。

発表する方々のスライド

まだ発表者も決めてないのに？どうして今それを急ぐ？

いや急いではおりません。なにもわからないので、もし決まっていればおしえてくださいというだけです。

語弊がありましたら申しわけありません。これからいろいろ決めていくということについて承知しました。

ごらんの通り何も決まってないです。
今はテーマを早く決めてイベントページを作るのが最優先です。

了解です。

今のところ、Edwardに伝える必要のある情報は「どの程度発展的な内容を望むか」ではないでしょうか？

水を差すようで悪いですが「なにもわからない」なら干渉しないのが一番いいと思います

わたしがお呼びしましたので、そういうわけにはいかないです。ご理解ください。

Edwardがあなたがやらなければいけないと言いましたか？

igepさんと話しますので、申しわけございませんがこれ以上は控えさせていただきます。

Good night fumi!

Basically all I wanted to know was the approximate level of the audience to help pick an appropriate topic. If it is mostly introductory Haskellers, then for instance doing something on how to use or build lenses might be more appropriate than something on my bleeding-edge projects.

I'm not sure the level, but actually I think there are sufficient introductory information about Lens (even in Japanese), and people who know your name expect you to give an advanced topic (like me :slightly_smiling_face: ).

If you want to make clearer, I'll make a survey to ask them which topic is suitable. :memo:

What do you mean? https://haskell-jp.slack.com/archives/CAXQ09PN2/p1556175038187000?thread_ts=1555931569.181600&cid=CAXQ09PN2
Tell me in Japanese

Don't urge, I'm writing now! :confused:

sorry! OK I’m waiting..

I can't accept your proposal in several ways :confused: :
- We can't make slides so soon. We've never decided who'll give a talk yet!
- As I repeated, what we should do is not to know the real level of audience, but to define the target level of audience. Because:
- Really various levels of people would be audience because Haskell Day 2019 is an open event: where anyone can take part, not specific members of a company/association.
- So generally, we never can know the (approximate) level of audience. But we can (and should) decide the target, then specify it in the registration page and the announcement.

One more note: @ekmett You don't have to be worried your talk is too difficult that the audience can't understand your talk: There are some advanced Haskellers who love your library and they want to hear deep topic.

@igrep oh well, yes as you mention, it looks like a bit difficult for us to know the knowledge of audience, but I thought it was a way to deepen the understanding of all the audience. Of course there are also beginners. English lecture in front of the audience, especially
listening to Edward’s lectures is very exciting I bet.

I don’t want you to misunderstand. I NEVER push you. As fumi san said, how much developmental content we want, I agree with him.
Step by step I hope we could decide various things about this conference.

https://haskell-jp.slack.com/archives/CAXQ09PN2/p1556174803186600?thread_ts=1555931569.181600&cid=CAXQ09PN2　Haskell Dayが成功するのはこれが最後であってほしいというような発言を見て戦慄しました

そういう意味ではありませんよ。

今月中だとあと1週間もないですね！
決め方は議論により決まらなければ @igrep さんが選ぶという形でしょうか？